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Half-breeds

Post by Vorrick » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:08 pm

Ok I know that a Demon/Drow pairing results in a Draegloth but is there any lore on what would be the case of a Celestial/Drow pairing? Also is it any different if it's a Devil as opposed to a demon.

Now for comic value

It is possible for Humans to mate with elves and orcs this much we know. is it possible to have an Orc/Elf child?
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Post by Sancha » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:18 pm

It's actually a drow female mating with a Glabrezu that produces Draegloth-- that's from a specific demon type mating with a drow, which is why they have four arms and a canine-like appearance.

A drow mating with a succubus or incubus would produce an Alu-Fiend. I used to rp with a wonderfully played drow alu, and a human-based Alu-fiend has a prominent role in the WotSQ series.

Elves mating with demons produced the Fey'ri aka Daemonfey. Drow mating with that same type of demon should technically produce the same or very similar results. Can't remember off the top of my head what type of demon the clan leaders of that elven clan mated with, sorry. I know there's a book that says so, just can't remember which one. [EDIT: Finally found a 3rd ed writeup for the Fey'ri, in [u:p22awa61]Lords of Darkness[/u:p22awa61]. Clan Draegledeth mated with 'demons' (3rd ed doesn't say which sort), making their clan elves with the half-fiend template. The offspring of the Half-fiends are Fey'ri; elven tieflings. All but a few of the original clan members died, so the clan is now led by a pair of the half-fiends, but comprises mostly their Fey'ri (tiefling) descendants. ]

I'm not sure about any cannon references of other 'named' and specific offspring of drow and demon matings. For most other demon types one would just use the generic Half-Fiend template or the tiefling subrace (though tieflings are not full on half-demons, they're one or more generations removed).

For a celestial/drow mating, one could apply the Half-Celestial template to the drow subrace. There aren't any canon references to specific types of upper planar creatures mating with drow, as that is 'so rare as to be virtually unheard of'. But one could use elves as a guideline, as with the Fey'ri, but probably best to just apply the Half-Celestial template.

Yes, it would be very different if it's a Devil as opposed to a demon. Devils and Demons are quite diametrically opposed in nature and quite different in abilities, aside from those that all Fiends share in common. Again, the general rule would be to apply the Half-Fiend template, tailored for a Devil-type fiend instead of a Demon-type fiend.

And for comic value, yes, it should be possible (though exceedingly rare) to have a half orc/half-elf. I'm pretty sure one of the older books mentions a single example of that. As well as at least one known half-dwarf/half-orc or somesuch. Or maybe it was a half-dwarf/half-elf. I think magical manipulation of some sort is required for such things, iirc.



The most common drow half-breeds would be the offsping of drow and demons, drow and humans, drow and surface elven subraces, and drow and dragons. (The Deep Dragon especially is a good candidate, since they can and often do take on Drow shape, and often work with and live with drow.) Drow and demons have a long history of ... mutual co-operation, and it's been stated several times that quite a few drow families have experimented in infusing demon blood into their offspring. Drow and devils, on the other hand, rarely rarely have anything to do with each other, being on opposite ends of the Chaotic/Lawful spectrum.


Anyone ever seen any other kinds of interesting half-breeds? I found in roleplaying that gamers come up with all kinds of ideas that haven't (yet) appeared in any sourcebooks.
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Post by Arathen » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:37 am

One thing I've been trying to figure out, in regard to half-breeds, is if elven pairings blend, or if the child takes after one or the other parent? I read somewhere that the child was either one thing or the other, never a blend...but I can't remember where and I can find nothing to back it up in any official material...nothing that I own, anyway. I ask because my character Kaelen has gone through several conceptual changes *laughs* and is the child of an Eilistraeean drow Priestess and a moon elf...though in the end it doesn't matter, as his appearance is something of an oddity either way. It all has to do with a storyline I'm working on. Still, this particular question is really killing me, lol, and I hope to find the answer.
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Post by Sancha » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:52 am

Ah! I can answer that one. Since one of the parents was Drow, that one is easy. (Harder to give a definite answer if it was a coupling of two different surface elven subraces).

From Drow of the Underdark (2nd ed)
[quote:11psqieb]"Half-drow" usually breed true back into the drow race.[/quote:11psqieb]

From Demi-human Deities (2nd ed) in Vhaeraun's writeup:
[quote:11psqieb]Contact and marriage with other elven races is encouraged. Half-drow usually breed true back into the drow race; Vhaeraun sees this practice inexorably raising drow numbers in surface lands.[/quote:11psqieb]

There is a slightly pared down/editted version of the above in one of the 3rd ed sourcebooks too. I can't remember if that part was snipped out of Vhaeraun's whopping 2 paragraph write up in Faiths and Pantheons or not. But Lords of Darkness talks about it too.

So in a pairing of a surface elf and a drow, the child will most often take after the drow parent, but if you want to be one of the not-so-common exceptions, you could take after the surface elven parent, or be more like a drow/human half-elf, a blend of both.



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For a moonelf/drow pairing specifically, my personal preference if I was your DM would be for the child to have dark or light greyish skin tone, a bit darker than the normal moon elven tone, and towards the lighter side of the normal spectrum of drow skin tone (which can range from dark greyish to obsidian/jet black.)

According to the old Drow of the Underdark book in regards to the rare drow who have blue or violet eyes, 'this usually denotes some surface elven ancestry somewhere in their family line'.

So a half-drow moon elf should definitely have one of the eye colors that are common to moon elves but non-existant or exceedingly rare with drow. Same with hair color, make it silver or white if you wish, or give one of the colors common to moonelves... or even a combination of both.

I'm a firm believer of PC's being the rarer exceptions than the norm, but you COULD also just say the child looks fully or mostly drow, if you wish too, since that is what 'usually' happens with these crossbreedings. But a moon-elf/drow pairing probably offers the most unique and cool appearance options, imho.


I played for many years a half-drow half-gold elf. He looks drow, mostly. Surfacers usually mistake him for a full drow. But to drow, they can always tell he is a dirty half-breed with 'tainted fairy elf blood' - his skin tone isn't quite dark enough, and more telling is that his eye color came from his gold elven mother, and his white hair is marred by a single thick jet black lock of hair on the left side. They know. Some gold elves and moon elves he's met also were able to visually pick up on the fact that only one of his parents was drow, the rest either don't notice, or refuse to admit it (usually the case with the haughty gold elves).

Hope that answers your question. :)
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Post by Arathen » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:47 am

hehe. Well, in the campaign I'm playing (though this will only become a bit thing far in the future, once we're done with the current arc), he was born looking like...well, what I imagine the original Ssri`Tel`Quessir looked. (Which in my mind is reminiscent of Lodoss War dark elves, honestly, but I watch too much anime). The only sign of his moon elven side are gold and blue flecks in his violet eyes and a few deep blue streaks in his silver hair. As for skin tone...the best way to illustrate it is to find a picture of Pirotess from Lodoss War. Like I said, it'll be a story element later on...but even I haven't really decided [i:2d0tiimy]why[/i:2d0tiimy] he's like that. Is he some form of dark elf somehow free of the curse that afflicts the drow? or is he just a freak, lol? Who knows :3 (in the campaign I'm using the Lesser Drow stats from the Player's Guide to Faerun as opposed to the typical stats...to show that he is indeed different in some way...more of a blending of drow and surface elf). Hell...it could just be a fluke, a strange blending of pale and ebon tones to produce something else...I have nooo idea yet. I just love the look *laughs*

Edit: something like this

[img:2d0tiimy]http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s187 ... otess2.jpg[/img:2d0tiimy]
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Post by Argoth » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:20 am

Pirotess from the TV series... Hmm... Interesting...
How about this:

[img:q4wgsxey]http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o260 ... doss08.jpg[/img:q4wgsxey]

And about Lodoss, it was made based on a script from a 1st edition D&D campaign played in the early (or late, don't remember) 80's or so. It's been played by a group of japanesse fans.
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Post by Sancha » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:30 am

Yeah that's sort of what I was thinking. :) It's a cool look.
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Post by Ix'Chimalxochitzin » Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:16 pm

Pirotess is badass.

Having said that, i've been playing with the idea of a half-elf/half-orc, though it needs to be said that that concept was unleashed on a freeform rp, since templates make me confuzzled ^^;
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Post by Alak Xiltyn » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:01 am

I onced played a Half Celestial Half Gold Dragon in an obscenely high powered campaign, it was fun at first but got boring rather quickly.

If you wish to express the half drow nature of your character in that effects stats as much as RP what I would do is sit down with you DM and cut the additions that being a drow makes in half, for example dropping one of the spell-like abilities and one of the stat bonus.
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