A suiter

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Re: A suiter

Post by Leema Har'gachi » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:01 am

Irennan wrote:
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I really doubt that Eilistraee would need her father's approval to choose a partner. With that said, while I don't exclude that Eilistraee would enjoy the company of Ye'Cind, what do we know about his ideals, personality, M.O. etc..? Eilistraee is a complex character; being a god of music doesn't automatically make him a potential soulmate. If you have other info about Ye'Cind, post them away; maybe he could really be a good soulmate for her.
I agree, Eilistraee doesn't see like the person to really care what kind of person her father wants her to be with. If anything I think the only person The Lady Silverhair would want in any kind of way would probable be her worshipers, She did literally die for them and she seem to be closer to mortal than any other god or goddess. SO if she is to end up with anyone it would most likely be with one of her worshipers... or maybe several of them (you never know). Not to mention I would be surprised if any of us are crushing on her I.R.L, she is pretty dreamy after all <3 :D :p
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Re: Suitorship

Post by Oneiromancer » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:03 am

Irennan wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:19 pm
I really doubt that Eilistraee would need her father's approval to choose a partner.
...Ye'Cind, what do we know about his ideals, personality, M.O. etc..?
In the old-fashioned custom of suitorship it is not the maiden who seeks her own father's approval; it is the suitor who seeks the approval of the maiden's father. No prospective suitor of Eilistraee has Corellon's favor more than Ye'Cind; Corellon likes Ye'Cind so much that he transformed him into a deity. Corellon's favor is really only a bonus though.

Beyond the several commonalities between Eilistraee and Ye'Cind that I already pointed out, to glimpse more into his character I direct you to read about Ye'Cind's deeds.

As soon as Ye'Cind learned of Eilistraee's exile and lonliness, the bard of the gods would conceive to go to her and play his music for her, not with courtship as the primary goal, but abatement of emotional neglect. If he can stir the entire Seldarine profoundly enough that they opted to apotheosize him, he would certainly stir Eilistraee profoundly as well. Music is the language of the soul. I think it would then naturally blossom into a legendary elfin romance, the kind that authors would imitate for millennia to follow.
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Re: A suiter

Post by Irennan » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:26 pm

I don't know if elves--especially gods--have any such customs as a suitor seeking a father's approval. Espeically because, while Corellon does care about Eilistraee, their relationship is explicitly described as strained in Demihuman Deities (due to their different views on the drow and M.O.), so Ye'Cind having his approval wouldn't matter that much.

Back on topic, Ye'Cind sounds like an amazing companion for Eilistraee, but I'm really not sure about soulmate. Not because he has traits that would prevent him from being a soulmate, but because, even with the GH article, I don't have really a lot of info to understand, in-depth, what kind of person he is. We know he cares about the truth and about justice, as he dedicated decades to expose a murderer, and that he is a nurturer of arts and beauty much like Eilistraee. Both these traits would surely be a plus in Eilistraee's book, but... Idk, respect/admiration/affinity is not the same as being a soulmate. I must say that you're right, though; he definitely is a good candidate.

With that saide, while I acknowledge Ye'Cind as a good potential soulmate, I maintain what I stated at the beginning of this thread:
She's a free spirit, and can love with such freedom and spontaneity that I picture her being able to enjoy moments of intimacy, tenderness, or simply affection to their fullest without the need to bind herself to anyone.

When you live as long as a goddess, your idea of love changes, because like your perception of reality does. I picture Eilistraee as a goddess who can love many at once with intensity and unconditionally, and that the fact that she loves many doesn't diminish the value of her love for the single individual. Just like she does with the drow, she would love each for what makes them just themselves--a unique kind of love for each of them that comes from seeing the beauty that is unique to each of them, from knowing--and having shared, due to her choice--their dreams, their battles, and even the demons that they face.

I also think that the lines between romantic and non-romantic love would become blurred in many cases, because we're talking about a creature who can experience this sentiment is such a deep and spontaneous way, and who is *big* on freedom of expression, and one large part of romanticism and sex is that they are an expression of affection, among the other things.

Besides, IMO, Eilistraee can love deities and mortals alike (in fact, why would she--who chose to be one of her people--restrict herself to deities)?
Aside from that, even setting the soulmate matter aside, Eilistraee--as a divine artist herself--would surely love Ye'Cind's music, and to sing/play with him, or dance to his music. The two would obviously get along perfectly, so we know that she has at least good company.

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Re: Eilistraee & Ye'Cind

Post by Oneiromancer » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:52 am

Irennan wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:26 pm
Eilistraee--as a divine artist herself--would surely love Ye'Cind's music, and to sing/play with him, or dance to his music. The two would obviously get along perfectly
Irennan wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:16 pm
I picture Eilistraee as a goddess who can love many at once with intensity and unconditionally, and that the fact that she loves many doesn't diminish the value of her love for the single individual.
We agree that Eilistraee and Ye'cind would have amazing synergy together. It looks like we also agree that Chaotic elfin deities such as those two would not likely chain themselves under a restrictive rule of monogamy.
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Re: Eilistraee & Ye'Cind

Post by Oneiromancer » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:23 am

Irennan wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:26 pm
...even with the GH article, I don't have really a lot of info to understand, in-depth, what kind of person he is.
The short explanation as to why published material on Ye'Cind is sparse is because TSR was effectively stolen from Gygax by Lorraine Williams, but Gygax retained the rights to characters whose names were derived from family members etc. such as Ye'Cind (derived from Gygax's daughter Cindy), so TSR stopped expanding on such characters.

...Which means that stories of Eilistraee and Ye'Cind would have to be fleshed out in fan-fiction.
Leema Har'gachi wrote:
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I would[n't] be surprised if any of us are crushing on her I.R.L, she is pretty dreamy after all
...And such stories could quickly veer into Internet Rule 34 territory.
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Re: Eilistraee & Ye'Cind

Post by Leema Har'gachi » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:15 pm

Oneiromancer wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:23 am
Leema Har'gachi wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:01 am
I would[n't] be surprised if any of us are crushing on her I.R.L, she is pretty dreamy after all
...And such stories could quickly veer into Internet Rule 34 territory.
I'm pretty sure the Lady SIlverhair wouldn't mind that at all, she is a very open goddess after all.
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Re: A suiter

Post by Irennan » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:21 pm

Like violence (or nearly anything, really) sex is good in a story when it serves a narrative purpose, when it tells us something interesting about the characters, etc... I'm not a fan of smut (i.e. sex in a story for the sake of having sex in a story), though, much like I don't like gratuitous fights in a story ,that are added just because there have to be fights in order to entertain the audience.
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Re: A suiter

Post by Irennan » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:24 pm

With that said, re: TSR claiming copyright and certain characters being left unexplored, that's a shame. I would have liked to see more of Ye'Cind; he definitely piques my interest. At least, for the Realms, Ed is still giving us lore (that is canon for all intents and purposes, by his contract, unless explicitly overwritten by WotC).

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Re: Eilistraee & Ye'Cind

Post by Oneiromancer » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:33 am

Oneiromancer wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:23 am
...stories of Eilistraee and Ye'Cind would have to be fleshed out in fan-fiction.
...And such stories could quickly veer into Internet Rule 34 territory.
Leema Har'gachi wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:15 pm
I'm pretty sure the Lady SIlverhair wouldn't mind that at all, she is a very open goddess after all.
It looks like years ago Eilistraee.com had opted to steer away from erotica etc. Currently, are there any Chosen of Eilistraee here below the age of 18?
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Re: Eilistraee & Ye'Cind

Post by Oneiromancer » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:37 am

Irennan wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:24 pm
...for the Realms, Ed is still giving us lore (that is canon for all intents and purposes, by his contract, unless explicitly overwritten by WotC).
...So what you are saying is that we need Ed to officiate the [non-monogamous] wedding of Eilistraee and Ye'Cind.
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Re: A suiter

Post by Zaknafriend » Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:43 am

Forgive the thread necromancy, but I wanted to suggest that perhaps she doesn't fit well into a relationship with another divine power. She seems to be super focused on her mission and just straight up doesn't seem to be inclined to shift her focus. Plus if she did take a lover or something of that sort, it gives her mother another tool to use against her. Correct me if I'm wrong but my read on Eilistraee is that she's hurting from loss of her brother to her mom's darkness a great deal. Seems like that would take some time for for a heart like her's to heal.

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Re: A suiter

Post by Shir'le E. Illios » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:30 am

She might be hurting still, but she also doesn't seem the kind to let that stop her. A free spirit who wouldn't let fear of what might be used against her keep her from enjoying life. I mean how would she convince anyone to come and live a free life on the surface if she herself is unable to live free herself?

Of course I don't really see her tie herself down with anyone either. To me she's too much of a free spirit for that. Having lots of dalliances though... sure. ;)


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Re: A suiter

Post by Zaknafriend » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:38 pm

I guess I can see that. Maybe the morning lord then? He won't hold any of the racism that other gods seem to vent at her. And he is a party boy par excellent.

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Re: A suiter

Post by Irennan » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:26 am

I've already commented on this, and I also agree with Shir'le. I'm posting again because I remember Ed saying that, among the deities, Eilistraee enjoys the company of Selune and Mielikki. Take this as you will.

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Re: A suiter

Post by Zaknafriend » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:09 am

Yeah... I guess I could see mielikki. Selune is kind of hard to see as her character is all over the place depending on the Edition, author and the needs of the story. In the same way Eilistraee is so out of character in the lady p series. However, given that the gods can move so far away from their previous states selves given needs of the story maybe it's best to assume that anyone could dally with anyone else so long as it serves the story. *shrug*

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